Who will win in a fight between Darth Vader (Pre-Mustafar) and Darth Revan? The Twi’leks had only a moment to register his approach before he cut them down in rapid succession. The entire conflict between Luke and Vader is that Vader wants Luke to turn to the Dark Side so they can overthrow Palpatine. Old skool meets new skool as the young pups vader and sid try to take down the old guns of kotor#kotor #starwarsfight #rotj #lordvader#episode6 #lordsidious He can resist Revan’s power for a bit, have a duel that lasts a few minutes MAX, but without a doubt Prime Revan wins. Anakin says yes and Luke says no.”. Also,Vader and Starkiller are potrayed as rivals across TFU-TFU 2.Neither of them can ragdoll the other at that point at least.Wii version doesn't override the main games. Instead of advancing with his two companions, Scourge stepped to the side so that he was standing directly behind Meetra. That was at the end of Vitiate vs Revan solo fight where he was distracted , which wouldn't happen again as he would know of Meetra's and Scourge's presence. Lightsaber duelists/martial artists: Both are very noble duelist and have proficiency if not mastery in all lightsaber forms. In fact she was the main reason they did as well against Bane as they did. As for cutscenes I don't have a specified stance on them but if it's not supported by the other versions I'm honestly rather skeptical about their validity. Scourge was stated to be Meetra's equal on Dromund Kaas. or pulling him in close so he can end it with his far superior skill with a blade ?. a man who has been tested in combat against both Jedi and Sith on all fronts. What are referring to? Revan being above Nihilus is not supported by feats regardless of statements by Meetra therefore there's nothing to put him substantially above Muur. His force power isn't close even with EU feats. Hope you enjoy this live action Darth Revan vs Darth Vader! Darth Revan at peak levels where all KOTOR gameplay feats apply to him. He saw reealities where Revan won and lost,why wouldn't he say we if he was talking about the trio? What Revan taught or did not is not specified nor mentioned. I think it would be a good fight either way. Full bodied anakin is way more fair. Regardless Vitiate wasn't even able to effect them with TP per the Revan novel and Meetra's presence is what saved Revan's life as she knocked the blade out of Vitiate's hand with a saber throw. Except Vitiate didn't do that because Revan was there and could have erected a barrier to defend them. Not Revan Reborn or SoR Revan. Why do you think you can use Karness Murr for comparison? Press J to jump to the feed. What is known is that Vitiate simply brushinhg Scourge's mind for a second brings him to his knees. He tanks an enraged star killers lightening for about a minute and that guy was able to instantly incinerate 3 storm troopers with his lightening, Edit:autocorrect changed feats to dead for some reason. INB4 Novel Vitiate is weaksauce and so is Novel Revan.Even though he has better feats than Yoda and Sidious as per Ritual of Nathema. He states right before the fight that he's going to show them how to shield their minds from Vitiate and given Vitiate didn't dominate either Scourge or Meetra like he did in the example you posted above which occurred prior to Scourge allying himself with Revan one can only assume that they successfully learned said ability and were able to shield their minds from Vitiate. @noah_ouellette: Neither do you. And neither are his Lightsaber skills. revan fought vitiate several times and had 300 years to think of a strategy and thats what he came up with. Can you quote it for me? Revan contending with novel Vitiate would be as impressive as you make it sound if Vitiate himself had more feats than rituals which cannot be used in combat. The amount of energy generated and absorbed by Vitiate puts him at the top of the food chain as far as feats go.Sidious doesn't have feats on par with that instead relying on dubious statements.Yoda doesn't have feats anywhere near that.Starkiller and Vader would have zero chance of beating Vitiate when he's sporting that much raw power. 2) The same. So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now he’s maybe 20 percent less than him. The suit made him nearly indestructible to most damages like explosions, blaster fire, and falling. In some, the Emperor was no more. Intelligence. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. *Morals are off, no prep, standard equipment, both want to kill each other, *Revan during the Revan novel and RotJ Vader. Easy victory for Revan. It's not like he had prep or anything. Marek broke through Vader's telekinetic defenses in TFU and in TFUII he allows himself to be disarmed to get Vader to lower his guard. Is this because the forms were invented after the Revan stuff was published? And sidous. Meetra saving Revan's life. Starkiller pulled a Star Destroyer from out of the sky, People say it was already falling. why are you assuming against vader he's have some trump card that would over come all revan massive disadvantages. Because Revan was leading them and any victory against Vitiate would most likely come about mostly due to Revan with Meetra and Scourge acting as support. Apparently Scourge was confident enough that Revan couldn't defeat Vitiate even with their help that he was willing to wait hundreds of years and let a war that likely killed billions if not trillions of beings to ensure Vitiate's death at the hands of the Hero of Tython. Vader is even with someone who had a chance of beating Vitiate in unfavorable circumstances? Because they did? uStats. The experience lacked the hazy, surreal feel of a dream. Revan- renowned as the Revanchist, honored as the Revan, reviled as Revan the Butcher, dreaded as the Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Revan, and praised as the Prodigal Knight - was a Human male who played pivotal roles as both Jedi and Sith in the Mandalorian Wars and the Jedi Civil War. Dark Times Vader along with Karness Muur is confident enough to ponder going against Sidious,with Karness Muur bringing the overwhelmingly majority of the power. For hundreds of years, Darth Revan tore through his enemies with ease. I truly believe that upon being placed in that suit that Vader's growth was ended and he simply became a ball of rage, while Revan had mastered both the peace of the light side and the rage of the dark side, allowing him to perfectly tap into both sides of the force. Anakin may have had greater raw potential but as Vader he was weaker in the Force...but more focused, ruthless, less arrogant and not holding back. It has been a while since our last upload! this comment was removed for being low effort, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. It's like saying because obi wan is nowhere near as powerful as sidious he cant beat maul. Legends Revan is pretty badass, but some of his most badass feats are comparable to Vader. Revan stomps really. Wait, you're saying he would have been wary confronted by threats? Darth Revan vs Darth Vader vs Darth Bane. 47 comments. Revan sensed that this Vader was even more powerful as Bastila had said. Dark Times Vader after having encountered the Muur Talisman takes Galen Marek as his apprentice to overthrow Sidious with and is constantly seeking out ways to overthrow his master. However, he's facing Revan a man who is both masters in the skills of both Light and Dark, a man who has been tested in combat against both Jedi and Sith on all fronts. in lords of the sith five armed soldiers who were waiting for him in a corridor with their fingers on their triggers and he rtuns down the corridor and kills them all with his saber before they could even react. IIRC, Revan had no issue cutting down other force users who would have been masters of the forms, if the forms existed at time of publishing. Also he never used tutaminis against Vitiate's lightning. Yeah, Scourge and Meetra totally can resist the Emperor. the Dark Council ). I'm a big Revan fan so my answer might not give Vader as much credit as he deserves. And could you please explain how two characters who got punked by Nyriss would prove relevant against Vitiate? "The Force washed over him in a wave, and a million possible futures flickered through his mind simultaneously. Debates' started by Spartan303, Feb 2, 2009. But force unleashed sidious cant do anything. share. Actually I change my answer to Revan for a slim majority. Revan's intended appearance in Star Wars: The Clone Wars. So answer your question, Vader can hurt Revan by overwhelming him with star destroyer dropping TK, and by being more powerful than him through multiple lines of scaling. He only triumphed over Vitiate in conjunction with the team. Vader wouldn't stand a chance against a Sidious tier opponent like Vitiate on his best days while Revan not at his best was capable of beating Vitiate. And in the revan novel it specifically states the fight between revan and vitiate couldve gone either way. ...Thats the point.Vader at his weakest along with Karness Muur makes him feel powerful enough to seriously wonder about overthrowing Sidious.ROTJ Vader doesn't dare do anything but kiss his Masters ass on his own. 'Sith-spawn!' Darth Revan at peak levels where all KOTOR gameplay feats apply to him. Im invulnerable to that. Why are you ignoring the text which clearly mentions Revan and Revan alone? Novel Vitiate is slightly above novel Revan, and thus is considerably above guys like Dooku. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. I'll pull out my Revan novel and get the quote for you. even canon vader outclasses revan in lords of the sith he crushed a heavy star fighter with the force (bare in mind just its shields were far to strong for top of the line infantry missiles to damage). Anakin has slaughtered Jedi before, but those were Jedi who spent their days slashing through droids compared to the Jedi/Sith that Revan fought who were skilled at fighting force users and spent most their war slaying such. “But he ended up losing his legs and an arm and became partly a robot. Chapter 1: Vader vs Revan Timeline: The end of ESB Reavn walked toward the huge sith lord in a slow stride. 14 comments. This thread is archived. Not Blackbeard and crew's victory. Revan is an ancient sorcerer who destroyed the space Mongolian invasion and essentially created an ideology by accident that destroyed a galaxy spanning government. This is far closer. Scourge and Meetra wouldn't matter either way.Nyriss schooled them lmao,Vitiate could one shot them without trying. @jackofalltrades2: @noah_ouellette: Revan contending with novel Vitiate would be as impressive as you make it sound if Vitiate himself had more feats than rituals which cannot be used in combat. hide. Source?He defeated Mandalore the Conquer in single combat so impressive that Mandalorians were simultaneously ashamed and awestruck.And the average Mandalorian can take the average Jedi in physical combat. Your argument is invalid. “This time I know his tricks and tactics,” Revan assured them. No force. Darth Vader cannot match this. Well we know the likes of sidious is way beyond him but thats irrelevant as thats also way beyond revan as well, However, he's facing Revan a man who is both masters in the skills of both Light and Dark, thats such a vague feat its meaningless simply mastering the dark and light doesn't put you close to either revan or vader do you think an average jedi master or sith lord could hold their own against either revan or vader with the force ? And even if he was what does that have to do with Vitiate's fight with the strike team? @jackofalltrades2: I'm pretty sure it mentions all 3 of them specifically. even so if vader goes on the offence how is he going to hold of vaders mastery of djem so (amped by vaders ridiculous strength) ? or getting wrecked by a bunch of tier 3 or less force users and non force users in the shadow of revan expansion ? Sorry Vader, but you're just not in Revan's league. Vader “focused solely and sightlessly on his will” “to defeat the evil embodied in the Emperor” while “ignoring” everything else, meaning that he was focusing all his energy into killing the Emperor rather than defending from his attack with a proper Force defense unlike Revan, which is made all the more clear by their brachial positions: Revan’s being an overt sign of tutaminsis while Vader’s … I.E. There was only one possible explanation for what had happened: the Force had given Scourge a vision." He left five corpses and a hall full of gawking troops behind him as he pelted onward. Vader isn't "close" to revan. When did Revan tank Vitiate's TK? - Revan. Where the heck does it state Revan is more powerful then Karness Muur? His force power isn't close even with EU feats. Darth Vader preference was a refined djem so user with soreseu, juyo, and … That doesn't mean Raskta wasn't a benefit to the Jedi strike team. However, I use the words "could of been" as his defeat at the hands of Obi-Wan Kenobi left him nearly dead and thus he was placed within his suit to survive. of cause not. hide. I'm talking about Round 2 where Revan, Meetra and Scourge were standing 3 on 1 against Vitiate.Thats when Scourge had the visions. I mean it was because of Meetra that Vitiate was disarmed of his lightsaber and Revan's life was saved. How when vader has a massive edge over revan with a lightsaber and the force ? Vader isn't "close" to revan. Revan is superiour to Ajunta Pall pre-KOTOR end game and is also above Nihilus as of the Mandalorian Wars.He is comfortably above Karness Muur at his peak at the end of KOTOR. share. Both 20 feet apart. You're trying to say that because he could have done that ( assuming Meetra and Scourge weren't taught the ability Revan said he was going to teach them ) Meetra and Scourge wouldn't have had an impact on the fight even though we know Revan is not as powerful as Vitiate. The moment passed and the universe began to move again, though everything seemed to be happening in slow motion. Edit: Oh wait, during the revan novel? If you want to go off that then none force users are also able to tank his lightsaber and force attacks for several minutes and he's so slow none force users can react to his attacks so he'd never land a hit on vader and vader could just wail on him for several minutes till he dies, lightsaber: vader mastered djem so (which specialises in saber to saber combat) and sorseu (which specialises in defence) ,he was also incredibly skilled in all the other forms and found away to seamlessly switch between them whenever necessary. In your opinion who is the more badass, powerful, dark, and impactful Sith Lord of their time? HoT was immune to vitiates life drain. I mean Vader was instrumental in the destruction of the Jedi and the Sith. Vitiate tried numerous times on him and he is like jokes on you. @noah_ouellette: Where does it state he was immune to it? Darth Revan vs Darth Vader (With rules) Serious. So he finds that, with Luke, he can get a more primo version if he can turn Luke to the Dark Side. @jackofalltrades2: Because in the fight itself they showed they were capable of impacting its outcome. Starkiller being above the guy who could have beaten a Sith who has the Raw power of 8000 Sith Lords and a planets worth of Force energy?Lolno.Revan's tutaminis feat against Vitiate's FLS shits on Starkiller's feats. Because in the fight itself they showed they were capable of impacting its outcome. End. Also, the suit actually helped Vader control his emotions since he realized that they were a really big weakness that he had. That got derailed by Obi-Wan accident that destroyed a galaxy spanning government on this site, your who! 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