Hope this Helps! I have been reading that the more offset you add it will end up more of a hook shot. Yes, I'm a club gigolo. Here are common ball flight issues if you are playing the wrong lie angle: Unfortunately, club manufacturing companies sometimes use different lie angles for their clubs. Hi all, I was wondering if bending a club 2* strong would affect the playability of said club? I think it depends on the player and his swing. And you are right about the irons listed, X Hot is a shockingly low launching iron and the G25 would be the exact opposite, with Rocketbladez mixed in the middle. The difference after they were set to factory lofts and lie for my swing was amazing! You must log in or register to reply here. Unless of course it's a long iron and you have a hard time elevating it in the first place. 1 for 1, loft for bounce. On GI long irons vs players irons have different width soles, are the effects of bounce differ between the two if the loft is a degree stronger? So if you have the time, watch this cool video that I really like explaining how important lie angle is for your golf game: Having and knowing the correct lie angle of your clubs will be a game changer, I promise! It just depends. These are topics that have been kicked around and that are important in todays market, so articles will most likely be touching on them in the future. Mizuno JPX 921 Hot Metal. Not only does it mess with the bounce/offset, but it's only a number on the sole if the club. The decision wasn't about distance it was about gapping. Potentially, this would mean the toe digs in and your shots go right (right handed). The idea of one ideal spin rate and launch angle for each iron doesnt really make sense to me. If anyone thought the Honda Classic had a below-par field, dont show them this weeks Puerto Rico Open. examples, keep you head down, hit down on the ball, you gotta swing inside out. Simply put, bending the iron 6.5 degrees strong wasn't an option. I dont pretend to be an expert, or even close. . 00bolt, May 18, 2017 in WRX Club Techs. That is a two club difference. Its like that distance is just not filled. probably best to just change the shaft length), You stand tall over the golf ball when swinging, Your golf ball starts towards the right of your target (left for lefties), You hit the golf ball off the toe of the cub more often causing the clubface to open up and create push or slice. Some 5-irons are 27. Albion, MI 49224 The so-called "standard" lie angles are 9 iron at 64* with a spacing of 1 deg between clubs. And visa versa, if the original bounce is low and/or the club has a sharp leading edge, the reduction in bounce may have a significant impact on playability. You are also all correct in that it is a long iron. KBS even notes it in the swing speed recommendations for their different model shafts, as their very lightweight steel shafts are about a full flex softer frequency than the standard weight counterpart. I showed him all the stats on the monitor and he was in agreement but when it came to buying the actual driver he insisted on buying the 9.5 head with the TP after all the work on the launch monitor. If its putting or greenside scoring, spend your time working on those aspects instead of beating balls on the range. Still have questions? Show Your True Colors With Mitchell Golfs Custom Color Program. 716 MB'S It sorts my gapping out perfectly as a result. Forged irons should be checked every year or 2 anyway for loft/lie. One other thing is that some clubs are designed from the factory strong lofted to begin with Taylor Made GI irons are a good example of this. While golf club manufacturers certainly try to make a consistent product, there are often inconsistencies in the lofts and lies of the clubs and they may not be progressively consistent from one club to another. Mr Divots, good point on the higher swing speeds, but like anything else we still see higher speed guys still launch the ball too low, it just is not as common as the low swing speed player. The one with a ballflight too high, is delivering the clubhead If you've got 2* upright and don't need that configuration, the heel will dig in and you'd pull the shots left (right handed). I suspect Ill be waiting a very long time, Amen, finally some one with great insight. Sitemap. Yes, it is possible to bend the irons 1-2 degrees stronger, but by doing so you would be reducing the effective bounce on the clubs. The bounce on irons is pretty much a non starter in my opinion. Getting your first putt inside three feet will greatly improve your score. Free shipping for many products! I use Ping I Blades and Ping have a 'power spec' on their website for these where the lofts can be bent to and still retain playabilty. I'm curious what effect bending the irons 1 or 2 degrees strong would have on the irons playability. Brilliant information ! We dive into a subject we get A LOT of questions about, bending your clubs properly. I was 50 yards out on the 3rd hole, and was in the moguls. Sorry to be a jerk but this topic comes up quite regularly so there are dozens of threads in the archives discussing this same topic. Golfers who know this information will have a much easier time controlling their ball flight, hitting the center of the clubface more consistently. How accurate are the loft and lie readings of clubs straight from the manufacturer? Ping G410 3, 5 and 7 wood, Ping G410 5 hybrid-not much use. The risk that the club will break at the hosel is too high. Arnold Palmer Invitational 2023 (*** NO LIV DISCUSSIONS/REFERENCES ***), Custom Ping i230 5-UW KBS Tour R+ Power Spec, G425 3 wood with GD TP, Ping Kaili Shaft,King Tec Hybrid, Jaws Raw & Zipcore Wedge, Airmax 97, Apex UW. Bending 2* strong will increase the clubs digging tendencies. Barring physical limitations, anyone can learn to hold the club properly, and you can practice it anywhere from the sofa in front of your TV to your office while on a call. APPLY NOW: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! I am now thinking I am just going to bend my 712 Ap2 irons to the 714 AP2 specs so my gaps will match up better with my wedges. Please contact Patrick Gallagher at 800-437-1314 or email patrick@mitchellgolf.com. At 100 mph you are obliterating the ground. Seriously. I have mine bent 2 degrees strong and cannot see any visible difference. But what about the mid and low irons, yes I understand some companies make 6/7 hybrids (7 and up is very rare), but you can not really replace an 8 iron with a true hybrid. To do this I will need to bend the 6 iron - PW 1 degree stronger. Cast club heads made of industrial steel are all on the so-called "unbendable list". there comes a time when too much loft jacking is too much. Restore formatting, It is a combination of those factors to get consistent results. That said, no equipment can make up for poor fundamentals in your approach to moving a golf ball around three to four miles of real estate in the least number of strokes. The 2-degree limit is only recommended when changing the lofts on irons due to the potential effect such bends will have on the sole angle of the club. Display as a link instead, With all due respect, I am not saying you do not, but club fitters do this all the time and if they mess it up then they can replace the club. Yes, it is possible to bend the irons 1-2 degrees stronger, but by doing so you would be reducing the effective bounce on the clubs. If you want to simply hit the ball further, find an iron that launches really high and spins really low, you will knuckle ball the shot a long ways, but odds are you will not be able to control yardages or stop the ball under most conditions. TaylorMade M2 (2016) 9.5* (2* lower) HZRDUS T1100 75g 6.5 Bounce follows loft in a 1:1 ratio. Not going to dig any more than normal. Is that ok? Needless to say, some people need more bounce than others; pickers don't need much bounce but diggers do. Novak has finished 11th after the first round in Hawaii, fifth at Torrey Pines and in the top-30 at Pebble Beach and at the Honda. Bounce means nothing. I couldn't agree more, they are a thing of beauty but also of art, it'll change the effect the way the club goes through the turf, I've lost some distance using these because I was hitting the new T-MB which 3 iron went a mile, but the 3 iron in the MB's is what dreams are made of, way easy to hit and launch, I wouldn't want to mess with it, that being said I did increase the lie up 2 degrees for my swing:). I should have made the same swing with a 9 iron, to compensate for the lie, but did not. Perhaps the lighter weight is good, but how many people fit into these longer lengths? I knew that bounce and loft have a 1:1 ratio but never thought that changing lie angle would affect swingweight but it makes perfect sense. Adams A12 19 - Fuji HB 80X, PXG 0311X 4 - HZRDUS Red 105 X What are you trying to achieve? From my observation of thousands of golfers of all skill levels, far too many are deficient in the fundamentals, starting with the grip, and then to the set-up and only then to the swing motion. Its ball speed not loft that is increasing distance. Im contemplating a set of Mizuno MP-53 irons. GolfWRX_Official Step 1 for those golfers is to increase ball speed. The concern is that all the fitting carts only have 6 irons and with the gaping on the 3, 4 and 5 irons lonely being 3* I am concerned on irons would react to my adjustments. Might actually help on hard ground. But if your best place for improvement is in your approach shots or play with the long clubs, you simply must work on your fundamentals of the golf swing. You can be assured there is not a single successful player in the professional ranks who does not have a fundamentally sound grip on the club. December 27, 2014 in Club Making/Repair & DIY Projects. Bravo, As a club fitter who deals with players that purchase equipment based on what their ego tells them they need verses the facts this is a breath of fresh air! Bending strong 2* decreases bounce by 2* and increases offset by about .75mm. Guaranteed that if you looked at your ball speed it was dramatically higher. MyGolfSpy Forum Virtual Golf Tournaments, Forum Featured:Community Map & Course Reviews, By TM TP UDi #1 w/ Diamana The fact remains that only stronger, faster swings can support lower lofts. 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 The Honda Classic - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to all photos, Fitness, maximum efficiency for the time spent. Loft and lie changes are more or less permanent. Vokey 54.10, 2009 58.12 M, Testing TM MG2 60* TW grind and MG356* TW grind. I'm guessing it will dig more but how much more? TaylorMade M1 15* Tensei CK Pro White 80X or In my experience I have seen guys in the 8-14 handicap range with moderate ball speed try X Hot irons, and see much better results with the Rocketbladez. I dont like alot of offset so that changes things a little. You must log in or register to reply here. You cannot paste images directly. Odyssey 2-ball Pro-Type milled face putter. Sure. Titleist does recommend no more than +/- 2 degrees from factory and you should be ok. Any more and there is a risk of the stress cracks in the hosel area (primarily cosmetic). But they will still land on the green as soft as an older set of irons (if not softer). This is a dumb question but were you fit for them? Say you have a modern set that is 3-PW, 19*-45*. So glad this was posted. You might as well get a distance gap before bending. Golfers can see their spin rate drop thousands of RPMs from the rough (depending on the rough and type of lie), so being able to keep their shots in the air with enough spin to stop the ball on the green can be a huge part of helping them shoot lower scores. They catch a bit but I hit it crispier. A Good Fit for a Clubfitter is the Post Fit. In a typical golf set, loft increases as shaft length decreases. Typical launch angle would improve from 13-14* to 17-18*. One good example comes to mind. Clear editor. After the death of his mother, Endycott understandably struggled through the late teens, understandably saying that, At the time, golf didnt really matter to me.. Ball speed from the new irons is what is creating the distance. (more on this down below). Since loft and bounce is connected, and cant be split no matter what we do. I tried it today but I can still hit my 6i farther than my 64 degree lw. Check out the different lie angles of a standard 8 iron from these three companies: I know that the difference between these angles doesnt seem like much. All data in this article is gathered from Shot Scopes database of over 140,000 golfers and in excess of 250 million shots recorded using performance tracking products such as the unique PRO LX+ laser rangefinder. They wont question a fitter who recommends that they switch to a 10.5-degree driver instead of an 8.5 or 9.5, because those are established as acceptable driver lofts. As a lifelong golfer, a student of the game and having made my living in the golf equipment industry for 40-plus years, I have made it a study to observe golfers of all skill levels as they try to figure out this crazy and very difficult game. So I hit my standard 50 yard pitch with a 54* wedge. Still, someone has to win, and, with such dead wood, punters might smile at this opportunity to nab the winner of an event returning to its status as an opposite event expect LIV to make an offer in 2024. What affect would bending an iron 2 degrees stronger have? The point is today, regardless of your skill level, if you work on making your grip and your set up closer to the proven fundamentals of the best players in the game, your path to better golf becomes infinitely easier. To do this, simply Google, Golf Club Fitters Near Me and you will get a great list of places that will make sure you are playing the right lie angle for your game. Paste as plain text instead, Tiger Woods plays his irons in weaker lofts and he doesnt seem to have any distance issues! Privacy Policy Older irons can be bent to achieve better gaping and additional distance, but the distance increases will be very small. Good question. Are you above or below average for some or all of these statistics? Working through the grades, hisdebut, five-shot victory on the KFT,was backed up with a pair of top-10s and two-top-20s, easily enough to nab his PGA Tour card for 2022/23.